Malawi President Lazarus Chakwera spoke to international outlet Aljazeera.
MIJ On lineโs Brenda Kaonga transcribes all responses from the interview.
๐: ๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข๐๐ง๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ ๐ฅ๐จ๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐จ๐จ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ข๐ฌ. ๐๐จ๐ฐ ๐ฐ๐ ๐ค๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ก๐๐๐ฏ๐ฒ ๐ง๐๐ญ ๐๐จ๐จ๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐๐ซ. ๐๐ง ๐๐๐๐ ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐๐๐ง๐ญ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐๐๐ฆ๐ ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ข๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ฎ๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ฃ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐จ๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฐ๐ก๐๐๐ญ. ๐๐จ๐ฐ ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ญ ๐จ๐ ๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐ค๐ซ๐๐ข๐ง๐, ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐๐ ๐จ๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ก๐๐ฌ ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐๐ง ๐๐ฒ ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐๐๐ง๐ญ. ๐๐ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐ฌ๐จ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ง ๐๐ฅ๐จ๐จ๐๐ฌ, ๐ฅ๐๐ญ๐ ๐ซ๐๐ข๐ง๐ฌ, ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ซ๐ซ๐ข๐๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ญ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ ๐จ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ก๐ฎ๐ง๐ ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐๐ข๐ซ?
Chakwera: You know these are real issues you raised. The war has not helped because prices of food, fuel and fertilisers have spiked and you are right that our consumption particularly wheat related food stuffs is been affected negatively. We pray for peace and we pray for the resolution of these things. However, what we are doing currently is to diversify and have other food systems that can enter into the equation so that Malawians can still survive and thrive this period despite the pain that we all experience as a result of the shortage.
๐: ๐๐ฆ ๐๐ฎ๐ซ๐ข๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฆ๐๐๐งย ย ๐๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐๐ข๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ฒ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ ๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ๐ฅ๐ ๐ ๐จ๐จ๐ ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ ๐ซ๐๐ฆ ๐ฌ๐๐ฒ๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ซ๐ ๐จ๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐ซ๐ซ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฆ๐จ๐๐๐ซ๐๐ญ๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ง๐ข๐ ๐๐จ๐จ๐ ๐ข๐ง๐ฌ๐๐๐ฎ๐ซ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ. ๐ ๐ค๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ซ๐๐ฆ๐จ๐ฏ๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐จ๐ง ๐๐จ๐จ๐ค๐ข๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ข๐ฅ ๐๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ง ๐ ๐ง๐ฎ๐ฆ๐๐๐ซ ๐จ๐ ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐๐ฎ๐๐ญ๐ฌ ๐๐๐ซ๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐๐๐ซ, ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ซ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ๐งโ๐ญ ๐๐ง๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก. ๐๐จ ๐ฐ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐๐ง๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐๐๐ค๐ฅ๐ ๐๐จ๐จ๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐๐๐ฌ?
Chakwera; We did remove VAT on some of the imported materials that are needed desperately. We did have shortage in terms of maize production even though what we were able to produce would still be on average higher than the last five years.ย But we are encouraging the production of cassava, potato and others in order to supplement that which cannot be imported. And so, our biggest challenge right now is to be sure that even in places where there were floods because of cyclone Anna and Gombe and drought because the rain came late, we should have sufficient supply of maize to cover everyone.ย And we believe that is doable.
๐ฏ: ๐ข๐ณ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐๐ฟ๐๐ฒ, ๐ฏ๐๐ ๐ฎ๐บ๐ถ๐ฑ๐๐ ๐ฎ๐น๐น ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐๐ฒ, ๐๐ฒ ๐ต๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ป ๐ถ๐ป๐ณ๐น๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐๐ธ๐๐ฟ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ฒ๐, ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ ๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ป ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐๐ฎ๐น๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ ๐ฎ๐น๐๐ผ ๐ฎ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ถ๐ด๐ป ๐ฒ๐ ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ ๐ถ๐๐๐๐ฒ ๐ผ๐ป ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐.
Chakwera: Yes the devaluation of the Kwacha was a necessary evil and I think that realignment has helped a lot, free up some forex so that we are able to import what is necessary. Our continued discussions with the IMF are giving us prospects of a hope that we could have a program with them. But the responsibility we still be on us to produce, add value to what we produce and then export.
๐: ๐๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ ; ๐ ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ข๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐๐ข๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข ๐๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐๐๐๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐ฅ๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก. ๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐ฌ๐จ ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐ซ๐จ๐๐ฎ๐๐๐ ๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ฆ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐๐ฌ ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ข๐ญโ๐ฌ ๐๐ฅ๐ฌ๐จ ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐๐๐ฅ๐ญ๐ก ๐ฌ๐๐๐ญ๐จ๐ซ. ๐๐จ ๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐๐ฐ ๐๐ฆ๐๐ฎ๐ฅ๐๐ง๐๐๐ฌ, ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฐ๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐, ๐ฉ๐๐ญ๐ข๐๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐๐ฅ๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐จ๐ง๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ ๐๐ญ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ฆ๐๐๐ฅ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ ๐๐๐ฒ, ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญโ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ช๐ฎ๐ข๐๐ญ ๐ ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐๐๐จ๐๐, ๐ช๐ฎ๐ข๐ญ๐ ๐ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐ข๐๐?
Chakwera: Our discussions with the IMF hinge on for example how to manage our debts because itโs becoming something that causes distress. And so we believe that our discussions are bearing fruits because we had entered into certain debts some of which we inherited at very expensive rates. But we believe this too can be managed.
๐: ๐๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐๐ข๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐๐๐๐ง ๐ฆ๐๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ง๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ก๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐ง ๐ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ญ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ซ.ย ๐๐จ๐ฎ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ง ๐จ๐ง ๐ ๐๐๐ฆ๐ฉ๐๐ข๐ ๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ ๐จ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ญ๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐๐ฎ๐๐ ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฃ๐จ๐๐ฌ. ๐๐จ๐ฐ ๐ข๐ง ๐ ๐๐๐ซ๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ฒ, ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ญ๐จ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐๐ฎ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ฃ๐จ๐๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐๐๐ซ, ๐ข๐ญโ๐ฌ ๐ ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐๐๐ข๐๐ข๐ ๐ง๐ฎ๐ฆ๐๐๐ซ. ๐๐ก๐ ๐ฒ๐๐๐ซ ๐๐๐๐จ๐ซ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก, ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฌ๐ข๐ฑ ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฃ๐จ๐๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ ๐ค๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐จ๐ซ๐ฆ๐๐ซ ๐ฅ๐๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ซ ๐๐ฑ๐ฉ๐๐๐ญ๐๐ ๐.๐ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฃ๐จ๐ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐๐ฌ ๐๐ฎ๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ง๐๐๐ฆ๐ข๐. ๐๐จ ๐ฅ๐๐ญ ๐ฆ๐ ๐๐ฌ๐ค ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ง ๐๐ข๐ซ, ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐ฃ๐จ๐๐ฌ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐๐๐ญ๐ฎ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐ซ๐๐๐ญ๐๐ ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ย ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ญ ๐จ๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ฆ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ๐๐ข๐๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ?
Chakwera: When we are talking about jobs, we are talking about sources of income that could give someone a livelihood and because of the pandemic, three year pandemic, yes jobs were lost and many companies were closed others are just trying to revive .
We have also tried to do the best we can to encourage construction industry, infrastructure across the country to make sure that people get jobs. Our National Economic Empowerment Fund has disbursed 37.2 Billion Kwacha to various groups in order for them to create such jobs.
162 thousand such groups have been helped across the country. We are just trying the best we can within the circumstances. And you are right that the pain is being felt by everyone. But we want to be sure even though the whole world is sharing in these issues, we want to be sure that we can mitigate the Malawian situation and be sure that people will go on.
๐: ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ฆ๐ฌ ๐๐ข๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญย ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐๐จ๐งโ๐ญ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ก๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐งย ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒย ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐๐ฎ๐ฅ ๐๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฌ๐จ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐๐๐ค .๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐จ๐๐ฏ๐ข๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐๐๐งย ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ข-๐ ๐จ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ง๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ญ๐๐ฌ๐ญย ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ง, ๐ฌ๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐๐ฅ ๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐ฌ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฆ. ๐๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐๐๐ซ, ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐๐ฆ๐๐๐ซ ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐๐๐ซ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ฅ๐ฌ๐จ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐๐ฐ ๐ฐ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ. ๐๐จ ๐ข๐ง ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ง, ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ซ๐๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐๐ง๐ญ. ๐๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ ๐ฏ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐๐ข๐ง๐ญ?
Chakwera: You knowย it is a constitutional rightย for people to protest and to do it peacefully and to do itย safelyย and so if you also consider the hundreds and thousands of those that we haveย been able to help through social cash transfers across the country, affecting over four million peopleย and these otherย issues and programs that I have just mentioned about empowerment , that is not an answer for everyone and so we realizeย that this is not supplying the jobs that are neededย for everybodyย and so they are protestingย and they have a right to do thatย but we are also doingย something that if you askย the millions that have ย been helped they would also tell a storyย that sometimes is not being told when the emphasizesย is just on those who protest.
๐ณ: ๐๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ธ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฎ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐น๐ธ ๐ฎ๐ฏ๐ผ๐๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐ป๐๐๐ถ๐๐๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐ฎ๐น ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ด๐ต๐ ๐๐ผ ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ฏ๐๐ ๐ถ๐ป ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ย ๐น๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐๐ย ๐ฟ๐ผ๐๐ป๐ฑ ๐๐ผ๐บ๐ฒ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐น๐ถ๐ธ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ ๐น๐ฒ๐ฎ๐๐ ๐ณ๐ฌ ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฝ๐น๐ฒ ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐๐ฒ๐ฑย ๐ฑ๐๐ฟ๐ถ๐ป๐ดย ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฑ๐ผ๐ฒ๐ ๐ฎ๐น๐๐ผ ๐ถ๐ป๐ฐ๐น๐๐ฑ๐ฒ ๐ต๐๐บ๐ฎ๐ป ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ด๐ต๐๐ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐๐ถ๐๐ถ๐๐๐ .๐ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐น๐ถ๐ฒ๐๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ป ๐ถ๐ป๐ท๐๐ป๐ฐ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐๐ฎ๐ ๐ฎ๐น๐๐ผย ๐ถ๐๐๐๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐๐ผ ๐๐ฟ๐ ๐๐ผ ๐๐๐ผ๐ฝ ๐๐ต๐ฒย ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ณ๐ฟ๐ผ๐บ ๐๐ฎ๐ธ๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ฝ๐น๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ฒ. ๐ง๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฑ๐ผ๐ฒ๐๐ปโ๐ ๐ด๐ถ๐๐ฒ ๐ฎ ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ ๐ด๐ผ๐ผ๐ฑ ๐ถ๐บ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ ๐ฎ๐น๐ฎ๐๐ถโ๐ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐บ๐บ๐ถ๐๐บ๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐๐ผ ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐บ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ฐ ๐ณ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ผ๐บ๐?
Chakwera; You have to understand when l said people have a right to protest ย ย peacefully, you will notice that there have been hundreds of people that were not even arrested and so in this particular case you refer to, there wasย a case were people began looting , breaking into shopsย and theย police have even recovered stolen itemsย and returning them to ย the shop owners.
This is definitely criminal but it has nothing to with whether people should be able to protest or not in fact other companies and other groups of people continued to protest regarding several issues that they are not happy with. This is a particular case were people are charges of criminality.
๐ด: ๐๐๐ ๐ฆ๐ถ๐ฟ ๐ฎ ๐ป๐๐บ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ต๐๐บ๐ฎ๐ป ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ด๐ต๐๐ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐๐ถ๐๐ถ๐๐๐ ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐น๐๐ผ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐๐ฒ๐ฑ. ๐ช๐ถ๐น๐น ๐๐ผ๐ ๐บ๐ฎ๐ธ๐ฒ ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐บ๐บ๐ถ๐๐บ๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ถ๐ณ ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฝ๐น๐ฒ ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ป๐ผ๐ ๐ฝ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐๐ถ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ฝ๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ถ๐ป ๐ฐ๐ฟ๐ถ๐บ๐ถ๐ป๐ฎ๐น ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐๐ถ๐๐ถ๐๐ถ๐ฒ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ ๐๐ถ๐น๐น ๐ฏ๐ฒ ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐น๐ฒ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐ฑ?
Chakwera:ย They will be released. My commitment has never wavered.
๐ต: ๐ง๐ต๐ฒ๐ป ๐น๐ฒ๐ ๐บ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐๐ธ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฏ๐ผ๐๐ ๐ผ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐บ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ฐ ๐ณ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ผ๐บ๐ ๐น๐ถ๐ธ๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ณ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ผ๐บ. ๐ ๐ฎ๐น๐ฎ๐๐ถ ๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ป ๐ณ๐ฎ๐น๐น๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ถ๐ป ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ป๐ธ๐ถ๐ป๐ด๐ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ณ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ผ๐บ. ๐๐ป ๐ถ๐ป๐๐ฒ๐๐๐ถ๐ด๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐๐ฒ ๐ท๐ผ๐๐ฟ๐ป๐ฎ๐น๐ถ๐๐๐ ๐๐ฎ๐ ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐๐ฎ๐ถ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ธ ๐ถ๐ป ๐๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ถ๐น , ๐ถ๐ป๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ผ๐ด๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐๐ต๐ถ๐น๐ฒ ๐๐ผ๐ฟ๐ธ๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ผ๐ป ๐ฎ ๐๐๐ผ๐ฟ๐ ๐๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ณ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐น๐น๐ ๐ฎ๐ฏ๐ผ๐๐ ๐ด๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ป๐บ๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐๐ฝ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐น๐ถ๐ฒ๐๐ฒ.ย ๐ ๐ป๐๐ฟ๐๐ฒ ๐๐ฎ๐ ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ป๐๐น๐ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ถ๐ป๐๐๐น๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐๐ผ๐ ๐ฆ๐ถ๐ฟย ๐ผ๐ป ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐๐๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ .๐๐ป๐ผ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐บ๐ฎ๐ป ๐๐ฎ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐๐ฒ๐ฑย ๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐น๐น ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ถ๐ป๐๐๐น๐๐ถ๐ป๐ดย ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ ๐ถ๐ป๐ถ๐๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ฎ๐ฏ๐ผ๐๐ฟ. ๐ก๐ผ๐ ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐น๐ถ๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ ๐บ๐ผ๐ป๐๐ตย ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ๐๐ฒ๐น๐ณ ๐๐ฎ๐ถ๐ฑย ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ป๐ผ ๐ท๐ผ๐๐ฟ๐ป๐ฎ๐น๐ถ๐๐ย ๐ถ๐ ๐ถ๐ป ๐ท๐ฎ๐ถ๐น ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ฝ๐๐ฏ๐น๐ถ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ป๐ฒ๐ด๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐๐ฒ ๐๐๐ผ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฏ๐ผ๐๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ด๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ป๐บ๐ฒ๐ป๐ย ๐ป๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ถ๐ป๐๐๐น๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฃ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐ถ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ป๐ . ๐๐ผ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐๐ถ๐น๐น ๐ต๐ผ๐น๐ฑ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ผ ๐ฏ๐ฒ ๐๐ฟ๐๐ฒ?
Chakwera:ย I still do. We do not want people to feel like they have no freedom to express themselves, the constitutional is pretty clear on that and so as far as I am concerned I have stated not onceย but many timesย that I will not have journalists harassedย or imprisoned
๐ญ๐ฌ: ๐ฆ๐ผ ๐๐ต๐ผ๐๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฝ๐น๐ฒ ๐ต๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ป ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐น๐ฒ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฃ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐ถ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐ฑ๐ผ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐น๐ถ๐ฒ๐๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฝ๐น๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ป ๐ฝ๐๐ฏ๐น๐ถ๐ฐ๐น๐ ๐ถ๐ป๐๐๐น๐ ๐๐ผ๐?
Chakwera; They are doing that daily.
๐๐: ๐๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐๐๐๐ง ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐๐ข๐ณ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ก๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐ง ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐ ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐จ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง. ๐๐จ๐ฐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐จ๐ซ๐ฆ๐๐ซ ๐ฅ๐๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ซ, ๐ฅ๐๐ง๐๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ซ, ๐๐ง๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฒ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ซ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง๐ฏ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐๐ญ๐๐ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐ข๐๐ ๐๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ข๐๐๐ง๐ญ. ๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ง๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐๐ซ๐๐ก๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ก๐จ๐ฉ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐๐ฅ ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ก๐จ๐ฉ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข ๐๐ฅ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ ๐๐จ๐๐ข๐๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ ๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐ซ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ฌ๐๐ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ญ๐๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฌ๐๐ข๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ง๐๐๐ซ ๐จ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฌ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐๐ฆ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ขย ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ฉ๐จ๐ง๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ฅ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ค๐๐๐ฉ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ญ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐จ๐จ๐ซ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐๐ซ๐๐๐ฏ๐๐ฅ๐จ๐ฉ๐๐ . ๐๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ค๐๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ซ๐ ๐๐๐๐ข๐ง๐๐ญ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ ๐๐๐ฐ ๐๐๐ฒ๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐๐ญ๐๐ซ. ๐๐จ๐ฐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐ข๐๐๐ง๐ญ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ง๐๐ฐ ๐๐๐๐ข๐ง๐๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ซ๐๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ง?
Chakwera; Well you know even as we speak there is a national conference on resetting moral tone as a nationย and I want everyone to know that ย we do have that political will but we must address suchย issues across the board and we must haveย all stakeholdersย participate and this the conversation that is currently taking place.
๐๐; ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ ๐จ๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฌ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐จ๐๐ฌ๐งโ๐ญย ๐ข๐ญ , ๐ข๐ญ ๐ ๐จ๐๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ฆ๐ฌ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐จ๐ย ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ฆ๐ฌ .๐๐จ ๐ฅ๐๐ญ ๐ฆ๐ ๐๐ฌ๐ค ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ง ๐๐ซ ๐๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ข๐๐๐ง๐ญ ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ง๐๐ฐ ๐๐๐๐ข๐ง๐๐ญ ๐ฏ๐๐ญ๐ญ๐๐?
Chakwera; The cabinet is doing fine. I can tell you that every time that we have issues raised we know that there institutions that are mandated to investigate the same. You have been witness to the actions that I have taken. We were even this morning briefed on what has been done and not just the talking. But the talking still needs to happen because everyone must participate and then agree on the way forward.
๐๐: ๐๐๐ญ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ซ๐๐ฉ๐ก๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ง ๐๐ซ ๐๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ข๐๐๐ง๐ญ. ๐๐ก๐๐ญโ๐ฌ ๐๐ข๐๐๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐ ๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐๐๐ข๐ง๐๐ญ? ๐๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐จ๐ฉ ๐๐จ๐ซ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ก๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ง๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ง๐จ๐ฐ?
Chakwera: Everyone is scared. They canโt just willingly do whatever they would want. That is the message that is there even at Capitol Hill. You must understand that even the studies will show you that much of the corruption as much politicians will be central to it because of the political will thatโs needed, a lot of public sector, private sector collusion has been there and this is what we are addressing currently.
๐๐: ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐ข๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐๐ฅ๐ ๐ก๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐ง ๐๐๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐๐ ๐จ๐ ๐ง๐๐ฉ๐จ๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ. ๐ ๐ค๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎโ๐ฏ๐ ๐ญ๐๐ค๐๐ง ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ฌ๐จ๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ก๐๐ง ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐๐ฎ๐ ๐ก๐ญ๐๐ซ ๐๐ข๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ญโ๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฐ๐๐ฌ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐๐. ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ฌ๐ก๐ ๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ ๐ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ขโ๐ฌ ๐๐ฆ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐จ๐ง. ๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฌ๐จ๐ง ๐ข๐ง-๐ฅ๐๐ฐ ๐๐๐๐ง ๐๐๐ฆ๐ฉ๐จ๐ง๐๐๐ง๐ข ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐ฑ๐๐๐ฎ๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ง๐ญ, ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ญ๐ ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ ๐๐ข๐ซ๐๐๐ญ๐จ๐ซ ๐จ๐ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ. ๐๐จ๐ฐ ๐จ๐๐ฏ๐ข๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐๐๐ฉ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฎ๐๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ก๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐๐ง๐ญ. ๐๐จ, ๐ฐ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ฒ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ฉ๐๐ญ๐ฎ๐๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ข๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐๐ฅ๐ ๐ก๐๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐๐ข๐ณ๐๐?
Chakwera: You must understand that a person like Sean Kampondeni for example has been with me since 2013 and nobody said anything at that time. And so he is the one that works with me. But even those that have raised that question have come to realize that this is not really the issue because we can show you that there are so many others that are qualified that have been deployed in various ministries and departments and agencies of this government to the end that you cannot take one example and then blow it you say.
๐ญ๐ฑ:ย ๐๐บ ๐ป๐ผ๐ ๐๐ฟ๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐๐ผ ๐ฏ๐น๐ผ๐ ๐ฎ๐ป๐๐๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ผ๐๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐ฝ๐ผ๐ฟ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐ฆ๐ถ๐ฟ. ๐๐๐ ๐ ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ท๐๐๐ ๐๐ฎ๐น๐ธ๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ฎ๐ฏ๐ผ๐๐ ๐ฝ๐๐ฏ๐น๐ถ๐ฐ ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ฝ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ธ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฎ ๐ณ๐ฎ๐ถ๐ฟ ๐พ๐๐ฒ๐๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐๐ผ ๐ฎ๐๐ธ ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐๐ฒ ๐ผ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฝ๐น๐ฒ ๐ต๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ถ๐๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ถ๐ ๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐น๐น. ๐๐ป๐ฑ ๐ถ๐๐ ๐ฎ๐ฏ๐ผ๐๐ ๐ต๐ผ๐ ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฝ๐น๐ฒ ๐๐ถ๐ฒ๐ ๐๐ผ๐.
Chakwera: Yes
๐๐จ๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ฐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ ๐จ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ง๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ. ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฅ ๐ค๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ง๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข๐๐ง๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐๐ก๐ข๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐๐ง๐ฌ, ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ฏ๐๐ฅ๐จ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ญ๐ซ๐ฒ, ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ฌ๐ข๐ซ๐ ๐๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฉ๐ก๐๐ญ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ ๐๐จ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐๐๐๐๐.
๐ฆ๐ผ ๐น๐ฒ๐ ๐บ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐๐ธ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐ถ๐ป ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐บ๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ฝ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐๐ฟ๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐๐ผ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐บ๐บ๐๐ป๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐๐ผ ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ฒ๐น๐ฒ๐ฐ๐๐ผ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐, ๐๐ต๐ผ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐ฝ๐ต๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ฑ๐ผ๐ผ๐บ?
Chakwera: Anyone who says Malawi cannot rise, anyone who says nothing works, anyone who saysย that this country will never develop that who am talking about. Am talking about people who instead of encouraging others to work like we are wanting to work and getting Malawians united and it is not a specific name am just talking about the altitudes that needs to change in order for Malawi to truly rise.
๐ญ๐ฒ: ๐ช๐ฒ๐น๐น ๐ผ๐ป๐ฒ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ผ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐ฐ๐ฟ๐ถ๐๐ถ๐ฐ๐, ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ ๐๐ผ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐น ๐ฐ๐ฟ๐ถ๐๐ถ๐ฐ๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐บ๐ถ๐ป๐ถ๐๐๐ฟ๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐ถ๐ ๐๐ผ๐ฟ๐บ๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐ ๐๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ธ๐ฎ ๐ฎ๐ณ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ต ๐ฒ๐น๐ฒ๐ฐ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐น๐ฒ .๐ช๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ถ๐ ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐น๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐๐ต๐ถ๐ฝ ๐น๐ถ๐ธ๐ฒ ๐ป๐ผ๐. ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐ฒ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ด๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ป๐บ๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฎ๐น๐๐ผ ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ป๐๐น๐ ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐พ๐๐ฒ๐๐๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฏ๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ป๐๐ฒ๐๐๐ถ๐ด๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ถ๐ป ๐ฐ๐ผ๐ป๐ป๐ฒ๐ฐ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐๐ถ๐๐ต ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐บ๐๐ฟ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐ป ๐ฎ๐น๐ฏ๐ถ๐ป๐ผ ๐บ๐ฎ๐ป?
Chakwera :ย Those matters came out of court hearing and court judgment ย but my relationship with ย the former president ย as well as and other former presidents is cordial .
๐ญ๐ณ: ๐๐ป๐ฑ ๐๐ผ ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐๐บ๐ฎ๐ฏ๐น๐ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐๐ฐ๐ต๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐น๐ฏ๐ถ๐ป๐ผ ๐บ๐๐ฟ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ฎ๐ธ๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐น๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑย ๐๐ผ๐ ๐ฒ๐ป๐ฐ๐ผ๐๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ด๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ฎ ๐ณ๐๐น๐น ๐ถ๐ป๐๐ฒ๐๐๐ถ๐ด๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐๐ผ ๐๐ฎ๐ธ๐ฒ ๐ฝ๐น๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ฒ?
Chakwera: I will not force anyone to do anything. Because me I want people with albinism protected , I want them to live freely and work freely , loom freely in this country this is their land .I want everyone to able to feel safeย that as Malawians will can do that.
๐๐;๐๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐ข๐ซ ๐ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ย ๐๐ฌ๐ค ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐๐ง๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐๐๐ฌ๐ ๐จ๐ ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ญย ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฉ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ง๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ . ๐ ๐๐ก๐ข๐ง๐๐ฌ๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ง, ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ ๐จ๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐๐ฎ๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐๐จ๐ฌ, ๐ ๐๐ญ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข๐๐ง ๐๐ก๐ข๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐๐ง ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐๐ฒ ๐๐๐ซ๐จ๐ ๐๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ ๐๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฆ๐ฌ๐๐ฅ๐ฏ๐๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐ก๐ข๐ง๐๐ฌ๐. ๐๐๐ง ๐ฅ ๐๐ฌ๐ค ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ฌ๐จ๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ฐ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐๐ง ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ ๐ซ๐๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฌ ๐๐ฌ๐ฉ๐๐๐ข๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ ๐ข๐ฏ๐๐ง ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ ๐ข๐ง๐ฏ๐จ๐ฅ๐ฏ๐๐ ๐๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐ข?
Chakwera: I wasnโt happy about the footages that I saw when this thing was revealed. But the appeal is to everyone let us not abuse others for whatever reason. Let us live as humanity one family.
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